Neil Wilding · 18 Sep 2025 · 2 minutes

ROTH DONE RIGHT

Ed Slott & the Roth Done Right Approach

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Here at Stonewood, we follow legislative developments closely. And this year, none has been more important to retirement planning than the One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA). (You can check out our analysis of the bill here, and our primer on the sometimes-confusing new tax deduction to offset taxes on seniors’ Social Security benefits.) 

But one of the biggest takeaways from OBBBA is this: 

Roth conversions are now too complicated for clients to execute on their own. 

Today’s lower tax rates make it a great time to convert. But a properly-planned conversion now has to balance tax and IRMAA savings in the future against losing access to limited-time deductions today. 

Stonewood’s Roth Done Right software balances it all and models out various conversion patterns to optimize the strategy. 

I was glad to read an interview last week with one of America’s best-known IRA experts, Ed Slott. In his interview with ThinkAdvisor, he echoes many of the key points we’ve been sharing with advisors since the bill’s passage. 

  • Now is the time for many clients with larger IRAs to be looking at Roth conversions while rates are low.
  • These low rates won’t last forever. The permanent extension is only “permanent” until Congress votes to change it (Stonewood has an entire package of seminar and lead gen content built around this concept of Legislative Risk – schedule a quick call with my team, and they can show you what we’ve built).
  • Clients need to work with advisors who understand how to fit all the tax puzzle pieces together to achieve the best result. 

Our clients are reading articles like this, too. With OBBBA shaping the current tax environment, they need guidance. Advisors who can analyze the various tax and IRMAA implications of a Roth conversion will be best positioned to serve U.S. savers – AND help them convert with confidence. 

At Stonewood, we strive to make the complex simple.  Stonewood’s Roth Done Right software is the absolute gold-standard for analysis that your client can actually understand. We’d love for you to see how it works –  request a sample report here.

Neil Wilding
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Neil Wilding | COO, Stonewood Financial

Strategy expertise and training that actually moves the needle. Neil sees the big opportunities coming - and develops tools to let you take advantage of them.

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See how advisors are using Stonewood software to win larger cases and deliver better outcomes for their clients.

An advisor was working with a prospect who was a real "do-it-yourselfer" when it came to Roth conversions. The client was converting assets up their existing tax bracket – and hadn't considered any impact to IRMAA.

With Roth Done Right, the advisor was able to show an alternate pattern that sped up the conversion to 6 years. The new structure offered $30,000 savings in conversion taxes – a 20% reduction on the prospect's conversion tax bill. The report also showed hundreds of thousands of dollars in long-term tax and IRMAA savings from the converted assets – an amount the prospect hadn't been able to quantify on his own.

Outcome

A new client with $1M in new AUM, and a $1M FIA sale to fund the conversion process.

An advisor was working with a prospect who already had assets with Ken Fisher. Fisher's team presented a 5% systematic withdrawal projection, so the advisor needed a stronger way to frame the income conversation.

Using the Annuity Alpha report, the advisor showed how an annuity could deliver over 8% in annual cash flow with lifetime income, plus a long-term care doubler. The contrast was clear enough that the prospect moved forward.

Outcome

$1.5M placed and a $100K in new business revenue.

An advisor was working with a 58-year-old couple with an established, well-funded retirement income plan, leaving an additional $3M IRA to build out a legacy for the kids. The couple's existing advisor had no real additional plan for this money, other than to keep it in their managed account and grow that money as much as possible for the kids.

Using the Legacy Done Right report, the advisor showed the need for tax planning on this $3M IRA. According to the advisor, the simple analysis "opened up the wallet" to the Roth conversion story. The advisor then used the blended Roth/Life feature in the report to show a blend of Roth Conversion assets with some Life Insurance to help maximize the client’s legacy.

Outcome

$3M in motion. The advisor picked up a $1.5M FIA sale that will be converted to Roth. And the advisor also sold a 5-Pay Protection focused IUL policy at $225,000 of premium per year.

An advisor group incorporated the Total Tax Burden report into the strategy presentation for all new prospects. They ran the tax snapshot for every new client as part of their first meeting conversation, quantifying the growing tax burden of IRA money – and illustrating the kinds of tax savings possible when working with their firm.

Starting in January of 2023, this simple analysis was presented to every single prospect who walked in the door. The goal was to differentiate their practice and drive overall revenue growth through various Roth conversion strategies.

Outcome

From 2022 to 2025, new annual AUM rose from $5M to $50M. Annual FIA sales rose from $3M to $35M. And annual life premium rose from $50K to $1M.